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Base Vegetto vs Boohan
Topic Started: May 29 2016, 04:24 PM (938 Views)
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I'm currently researching what the anime's position is on this issue, and this is what the anime has to say:
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Vegetto: "Indeed I have gotten stronger! Enough to be able to kill you!"
Boohan: "Enough of you being carried away with yourself! I was planning on playing around with you a bit more, but I'm not going to hold back any longer! I'm sending you to the Next World right now!"
Vegetto: "If you can do it, go ahead and try!"
Note: Vegetto is in his base form

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Kibitoshin: I-Incredible! It's incredible! To think that he can fight toe-to-toe with Majin Boo after he powered up that much!"
Elder Kaioshin: "Toe-to-toe, you say? Look, you, where in the world are you directing your eyes? Open up your eyes and watch closely!"
Kibitoshin: "Boo is... Majin Boo is being overcome! He can win! At this pace, he can win against Boo! Right, Grand Kaioshin-sama?"
Elder Kaioshin: "No! We cannot tell. The fight's outcome, you see, is a matter of fortune. However, see, if he doesn't win, you see, then there's probably nobody else that can win against him, see?"
Kibitoshin: "We're counting on you! Goku-san! Vegeta-san!"

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Boohan: "What's that smug look for? Are you proud of yourself for bouncing that back just now? You certainly have become stronger. However, you still cannot say you have surpassed me!"
Vegetto: "Is that so? In that case, how about I show you?
*Vegetto turns into a Super Saiyan*
*Boo looks surprised*
Vegetto: "This is Super Vegetto!!"

With all these quotes in mind, I think it's safe to say Vegetto is somewhere between Bootenks and Boohan, as far as the anime is concerned.
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May 29 2016, 04:24 PM
I'm currently researching what the anime's position is on this issue, and this is what the anime has to say:
Quote:
 
Vegetto: "Indeed I have gotten stronger! Enough to be able to kill you!"
Boohan: "Enough of you being carried away with yourself! I was planning on playing around with you a bit more, but I'm not going to hold back any longer! I'm sending you to the Next World right now!"
Vegetto: "If you can do it, go ahead and try!"
Note: Vegetto is in his base form

Quote:
 
Kibitoshin: I-Incredible! It's incredible! To think that he can fight toe-to-toe with Majin Boo after he powered up that much!"
Elder Kaioshin: "Toe-to-toe, you say? Look, you, where in the world are you directing your eyes? Open up your eyes and watch closely!"
Kibitoshin: "Boo is... Majin Boo is being overcome! He can win! At this pace, he can win against Boo! Right, Grand Kaioshin-sama?"
Elder Kaioshin: "No! We cannot tell. The fight's outcome, you see, is a matter of fortune. However, see, if he doesn't win, you see, then there's probably nobody else that can win against him, see?"
Kibitoshin: "We're counting on you! Goku-san! Vegeta-san!"

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Boohan: "What's that smug look for? Are you proud of yourself for bouncing that back just now? You certainly have become stronger. However, you still cannot say you have surpassed me!"
Vegetto: "Is that so? In that case, how about I show you?
*Vegetto turns into a Super Saiyan*
*Boo looks surprised*
Vegetto: "This is Super Vegetto!!"

With all these quotes in mind, I think it's safe to say Vegetto is somewhere between Bootenks and Boohan, as far as the anime is concerned.
That's a pretty good placement. Vegetto in the manga transformed right off the bat because he could tell he wasn't at that level. In the anime he seems to believe he can take him on until Boohan kind of hints at that he could do more.
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Agreed! Vegetto doesn't dispute Boohan's claim of superiority in the last quote, and you'd think that if he was planning on antagonising Boohan to the point of getting absorbed, he'd counter it to make Boohan even madder.
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This is what I've agreed with for a very long time (since I did a post like this eons ago). It's somewhat debatable, though, since Vegetto does still trounce Boo despite Boo's words.
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I think that it can just be interpreted as arrogance on Boo's parts. He blatantly says that he'll stop holding back, and then Vegetto continues to kick the shit out of him. I don't see it as any different than Perfect Cell claiming he'll beat SS2 Gohan and then also getting beat up. I mean, Gohan never "disputes Cell's claim of superiority" and instead just beats him up, just like Vegetto does to Boo.

So anime-wise, I think Vegetto is a good deal stronger. Manga-wise, however, I believe that he is significantly weaker.
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Why didn't Boohan go to absorb him sooner, in that case? Why would he wait until Vegetto transformed if he was much weaker than his Base?
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Because this is filler and doesn't exist in the manga.

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Could just be that he didn't think to until later. He didn't try to absorb SS Vegetto in the manga for a while, either.

I just think it's incredibly silly to try to argue that Boo kept holding back despite blatantly stating that he would go all-out for no reason at all other than to just make himself look bad.
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People sometimes like to ignore when characters state they're going all out /shade

Base Vegetto certainly did seem to have the advantage from what I recall. He even managed to deflect Boo's giant Ki ball. A few statements imply Vegetto's superiority, with only the last one possibly hinting at an inferiority.

I'd have to say base Vegetto is clearly stronger.
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May 29 2016, 06:17 PM
Could just be that he didn't think to until later. He didn't try to absorb SS Vegetto in the manga for a while, either.

I just think it's incredibly silly to try to argue that Boo kept holding back despite blatantly stating that he would go all-out for no reason at all other than to just make himself look bad.
On that note, Boo never seemed afraid or frustrated with base Vegetto like he did with SS Vegetto. He pretty much grinned at everything base Vegetto did. So even Boo's actions could conceivably contradict his words if he says he's going all-out, gets his face bashed in, and still smiles about it.

edit: ^like with the giant ki ball. Boo didn't find that impressive at all when Vegetto pushed it back, and even mocked him about it.
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Yeah, I agree that it's strange that Boohan would lie about going all out, but you could argue he's trying to instill a false sense of hope into Vegetto. Sure, I suppose you could just call Boo delusional at the end of the day, as he refused to accept he was Super Vegetto's lesser, but he seemed more reasonably confident than delusional.
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I think Base Vegito is still strong enuf to overpower Boohan

I have it this way:

Suppressed Vegito = Full Powered Boohan

Full Powered Base Vegito > Boohan

SSJ Vegito >> Boohan

Few instances as stated in OP gives me the impression that Base Vegito was "testing" Boohan's true power as its always been the case with Goku

Gauge Boohan's extent of full power before going SSJ. Just to break Boo down as he did before multiple times. Ex: Against SSJ2 Gohan & Majin Vegeta as Fat Boo, against Gotenks as Super Boo, against Gohan as Gotenks Boo etc

Now, dats Veggie's style

In short, I feel Base Vegito is somewhat significantly superior
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Ok, I have something to add.
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Boohan: "Super Vegetto, you say? You don't seem to understand yet, huh? I have absorbed three Saiyans--two half-pints, as well as Gohan! Now that you have combined together and become a Super Saiyan, what is that supposed to do for you?!"
Vegetto: "You're the one who doesn't seem to understand. Merging via the Potara is not that simple a matter. Hmph, of course, you probably wouldn't understand if I explained it to you verbally. I'll show you."
Boohan: "You're right! If you can't understand something you're told, all that's left is to make you understand by force! You miserable fool!"

I think with this you could definitely argue Boohan is delusional altogether.
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May 30 2016, 05:29 PM
Ok, I have something to add.
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Boohan: "Super Vegetto, you say? You don't seem to understand yet, huh? I have absorbed three Saiyans--two half-pints, as well as Gohan! Now that you have combined together and become a Super Saiyan, what is that supposed to do for you?!"
Vegetto: "You're the one who doesn't seem to understand. Merging via the Potara is not that simple a matter. Hmph, of course, you probably wouldn't understand if I explained it to you verbally. I'll show you."
Boohan: "You're right! If you can't understand something you're told, all that's left is to make you understand by force! You miserable fool!"

I think with this you could definitely argue Boohan is delusional altogether.
Buu is just assuming Vegito's union is just simple additional from the quote. 3 is greater then 2, so he assumed by having 3 he'll come out the stronger.

But I do agree that Base Vegito in the anime is around Buutenks.
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But that's the thing. His reason for thinking he's superior is that he has more people. He isn't comparing battle powers, and this line was also spoken with confidence, so I think it's fair to say Boohan is generally delusional.
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